Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 All my classmate passed the bar exam from the first time, and we were so happy that we were part of the, your like community. I don't know how to explain like we were part of St. John's. Yes.
Speaker 2 00:00:16 Welcome to the US Law Central's Law and Language podcast, the legal English podcast for non-native English speakers to help you improve your English listening, improve your legal English vocabulary, and build your knowledge of American legal culture. Hi, this is Daniel. And before we begin today's episode, I wanna remind you that US Law Essentials offers online courses in legal English and US law. Our courses are designed for international attorneys, law students, and translators. If you have any questions, please contact Daniel at Daniel us law essentials.com and join us on Facebook and on LinkedIn. And now today's episode,
Speaker 1 00:01:02 Welcome to the US Law Essentials Law and Language Podcast. I'm your host, Steven Horowitz. Uh, and today we continue our series of interviews with multilingual lawyers, uh, with Ukrainian American lawyer, Natalia Yk. Uh, but before we start, first a shout out to all of our listeners from St. John's Law School in Queens, New York. Natalia is a St. John's l m alum, and I know a lot of our regular listeners are also former and current St. John's LLM students where I used to teach. So thanks to all of you for listening. I hope you're enjoying the episodes. If you are, please feel free to share any thoughts or comments about the show by sending an email to Daniel us law essentials.com, and we'll give you a shout out on a future episode and maybe share your comments too. I first met Vitalia when she was a student of mine in the L l M program at St.
Speaker 1 00:01:54 John's Law School, where I was the director of Legal English programs. She's originally from Ukraine and moved to New York City in 2014 and currently lives and, and works in Staten Island, uh, where she has her own law practice, the Law Offices of Vitalia, YK dc which helps clients with immigration, family law, estate planning, speeding tickets and, and various other things. Um, and we have a, in the show notes, there's a, a link to her, uh, law firm's website. Um, Vitalia was born and grew up in Ukraine where she graduated from Vasel, Stefanik Carpathian National University School of Law, and was licensed to practice law in Ukraine. She also received her master's of Arts degree with honors in French Language in literature, and was a postgraduate student in the Department of International Relations in Stefanik PREPA Pre Carpathian National University, where she worked as an adjunct professor for three years and has published 15 articles addressing political problems of international systems and global development, and earned her PhD degree in political science in Ukraine.
Speaker 1 00:03:06 Um, as an l m student at St. John's Vitalia graduated with the highest GPA in her program. Uh, and since graduating, Vitalia has performed pro bono work on various matters for the, for the Uncontested Divorce Clinic in Queens County Supreme Court, the volunteer lawyer for the day, uh, program in Queens civil court, and for CUNY citizenship now. Um, and since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February, 2022, Natalia has also been heavily involved in volunteering with the Ukraine Immigration Task Force, which is, uh, which has legal resources and guidance for immigration attorneys and Ukrainians fleeing war. Um, welcome Vitalia. So nice to have you here. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 0 00:03:55 Thank you for having me on this podcast. Uh, it's a pleasure to be your guest today, and it's good to see you again, professor.
Speaker 1 00:04:02 Yeah, you too. And, and today is Ukrainian Independence Day, right?
Speaker 0 00:04:07 Yes, yes. It's our national holiday and all u all Ukrainians celebrate today, and of course, my family will celebrate today. Unfortunately, there a boy in Ukraine, but we have, um, the inspirations that we will win soon, so that's why, um, we will celebrate today.
Speaker 1 00:04:32 And what is, what are celebrations like or traditionally, what if celebrations of in Independence Day? What do you do on Independence Day?
Speaker 0 00:04:40 Uh, just our family will be together. We'll have a dinner and, uh, also we will sing Ukrainian, um, song and also Ukrainian national atom. Um, and, um, just, uh, we will also watching tv I hope every single bit Okay. Uh, in Ukraine today because it was a lot of not very good news regarding this date. But I hope everything, I just praise that everything be okay.
Speaker 1 00:05:13 Yeah, I, I do as well. Um, and it must be a, a different kind of independent day this year and have a lot of special meaning. Um, and, and how are you doing? I mean, Ima the, the war in Ukraine has had a big impact on your life, even though you're, you're here in the US right?
Speaker 0 00:05:30 Yes. Uh, I think for all Ukrainians it's very, um, it's very hard time now. It's, and it's more than six months. And, um, of course for me it's the same. Um, but we, we are tried to volunteering a lot to help Ukrainian people, and as you know, a lot of Ukrainian people came to the United States right now because u um, uh, USA helps Ukrainian people. And also, uh, every day I have just like more than oney, uh, phone calls from Ukrainian and I would like to help them. And, um, also, um, there special Ukrainian immigration tasks, um, that we, a lot of Ukrainian attorney, um, united together and, uh, provide legal services for Ukrainian for free.
Speaker 1 00:06:28 Uh, so you're part of that group of, of Ukrainian, is it Ukrainian American lawyers or Ukrainian American and Ukrainian lawyers?
Speaker 0 00:06:36 Uh, it's usually Ukrainian, like it's usually American lawyer who has Ukrainian origin, Uhhuh or, or American lawyers who ha who would like to help.
Speaker 1 00:06:47 Um, and and before I ask you more about that, do you, do you have family still back in Ukraine?
Speaker 0 00:06:53 Yes. Yes. I unfortu yes. My grandparents, my relatives, my friends classmates, Isaiah and, um, my cousin are in the army right now. And every day we just pray for, for their life because it's, and one of my cousin was injured few months ago, so it's very hard for, uh, for our family. But since God, everything's okay now.
Speaker 1 00:07:19 Wow. But that must be hard to be over here in the US while all that's happening there. And you can, I mean, in, in one sense we're very connected because, because of communications and the internet and everything like that. But, but it must also be hard to be so removed from
Speaker 0 00:07:36 Yes. Because my grandparents, every day they ask me, um, when I will be back, like, because every summer I was in Ukraine a few weeks to visit them. And this year is different because as you know, I'm a little bit scared about my kids to, to fly to Ukraine right now. And so unfortunately this summer is different.
Speaker 1 00:08:02 And and you grew up in, in western Ukraine?
Speaker 0 00:08:05 Yes. Yeah. I grew up in, uh, Ivan region. Uh, it's near mountains. Um, it's near Poland, west part of Ukraine. Yes.
Speaker 1 00:08:16 And I know that's, that's a little further away from where, where most of the fighting is on one hand, but there's also the, the air raid are going on everywhere, right? Doesn't
Speaker 0 00:08:26 Matter. Yeah, it's a little bit, it's far, but believe me, on the first day of the war on the February 24th, it was, uh, ik, my city was bombing, uh, and, uh, one of the bomb was near my apartment. So
Speaker 1 00:08:42 Was your, it was your apartment?
Speaker 0 00:08:43 Yeah, it was near my apartment because my apartment in is near airport and airport was bombing on the first day of Ukraine, uh, of the war in Ukraine.
Speaker 1 00:08:53 Wow.
Speaker 0 00:08:54 So it was scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:08:57 So, so let me ask you, well, well first, what languages do you speak? I know you speak Ukrainian, and I know you speak English.
Speaker 0 00:09:05 Yes. My native language is Ukrainian, of course, but also I, I fluent in English, Russian and French.
Speaker 1 00:09:14 And you mentioned that your grandmother, uh, was originally from Poland, so you can understand Polish as
Speaker 0 00:09:19 Well. Yeah, I understand Polish of course, but, uh, it's not so easy to speak <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:09:25 Okay. And, and in, in what ways is, is this language background helpful to you now and all the work that you're doing?
Speaker 0 00:09:34 Yeah, it's very, yeah, bloom, it's very helpful to be a multilingual attorney in, uh, New York, especially because New York is a city where it's a lot of people from different country. And especially we have a lot of people from Ukraine or from, uh, Soviet Union country or Soviet Union countries. So that's why, um, people who don't speak English, they're looking for authority, who can, uh, with, who can help and who can explain everything they natural language.
Speaker 1 00:10:08 And, and, um, can you say more about a kind of work you're doing? Like you mentioned you get a lot of calls during the day, people needing help. Um, what, what kind of calls are you getting and, and who's calling?
Speaker 0 00:10:22 Yeah, so, um, now, um, there's a special like program for Ukrainian people united for Ukraine, and a lot of people just receiving parole special, like, um, status in the United States. And we know that more than 100,000 Ukrainians, uh, came, um, when the war started, came to the United States. To the United States when the war started. So, um, we help them to receive a work authorization here. We help them with some benefits from, um, we have with how to register to school sometimes, because they ask us everything like, because they're new in this country and, uh, they dunno what to do. And, uh, we just provide some legal advice of course, but also some like, advice how to stay in this country with kids, especially for, um, we, for women because men are not supposed to be there. Like, um, they cannot leave the country if from 18 years old until 60.
Speaker 1 00:11:28 No. Right. They'd have to serve in the, they have to serve in
Speaker 0 00:11:30 The army right now. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 00:11:32 And and of those people calling you, are they generally in the New York area or could they be anywhere in the United States?
Speaker 0 00:11:38 No, they can be anywhere because immigration law is federal law. So I have a lot of clients, even from Chicago, from Illinois, from California, from Florida especially, and from New York, of course, New Jersey connected.
Speaker 1 00:11:50 Are there, are there certain parts of the country where there are, where there are particularly large Ukrainian American, uh, communities already? Obviously New York?
Speaker 0 00:11:59 Yes, New York. We have Ukrainian Village here, like, uh, even state now, and we have a lot of Ukrainian people, uh, Ukrainian church and Ukrainian community. And it's why, like, to help people who are near my house, like <laugh> and, um, but usually like people go to a big city because, um, they know that in small cities it's very hard to leave if they don't speak English.
Speaker 1 00:12:26 Did you practice law in Ukraine as well?
Speaker 0 00:12:30 Um, no. I was, um, like a job professor in the university after I graduated my master's degree. And also I was a PhD student in Ukraine. Um, so after the gradu, after my graduation, uh, I work in, in the university, like in.
Speaker 1 00:12:50 And then when you came to the us how did you decide that you wanted to go to law school in the us?
Speaker 0 00:12:57 Oh, <laugh>, it was big decision because, um, my English was not so good, uh, at the time, so I went to, uh, ESL classes for one month and I met, uh, one, uh, student there and she explained me regarding <inaudible> program and I said, oh, it just for me, <laugh>. And then I learned a lot regarding this l LM program, especially regarding St. John's, um, in St. John's University because then she was, uh, also a student, um, in, at St. John's. So, and it was, I think it was the best decision in my life that I <laugh> I went to this program, I graduated and I became a lawyer here. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:13:47 Yeah. You, you did very well in the program. I mean, you were always a, a very strong student, I remember. Uh, what class or classes were the where the most helpful for you in now, now looking back now that you're a practicing lawyer, which classes or class was particularly helpful?
Speaker 0 00:14:04 Uh, yes. I remember it was five years ago, <laugh>, but I remember everything. Um, so I think very, um, very helpful. Um, so applied legal analysis with professor er, uh, Rocha. Yes. And also, uh, legal writing is very important. Um, I know, I think the most important for l LM students is, um, the department where you were working at the time because it's because they help with everything <laugh>, with classes, with translation, just like encouraging and uh, um, all students that, uh, they can do it. And I think, um, from my, uh, all, all my classmates passed the bar exam from the first time and we were so happy that we were part of the, we were like community. I don't have to explain like yes, we were part of St. John's. Yes. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:15:11 Yeah. We, we were all really excited when you guys passed apart too.
Speaker 0 00:15:15 Yeah, from the first Australia, it was, it was not so easy, but it was like manageable with your how,
Speaker 1 00:15:21 Yeah. So what, um, and then, so after you finished law school, what, uh, what did you do after law school? What's, what's your career path been to, to where you are now?
Speaker 0 00:15:33 Yeah, when, um, at the time I was waiting for my license because I'd, um, after I passed the bar exam, I was supposed to pass the New York exam and at ethics and uh, uh, did my pro bono work, uh, more than 50 hours. So that's why I, I was, I did step by step like, but um, then I find a job in Staten Island, um, as a, um, like paralegal because I was waiting for my, uh, license. And then I was an associate in the law office. Uh, we handle all the matrimonial cases, family law cases, so, so I was like a divorced authority at the time, <laugh>, but they were very helpful. Um, and it was very helpful for me. Uh, it was a small law office, just, uh, one attorney, one paralegal, and one, um, like legal secretary. Um, and they helped me a lot because they teach me a lot. Um, and so I worked there like two years I believe. And then I was pregnant with my another daughter. And, um, after my maternity leave, I started a new job, um, in two low offices, <laugh>, it was like two part-time job.
Speaker 1 00:16:52 Oh, wow. Um,
Speaker 0 00:16:53 Yes. So one of them was like a traffic attorney in Staten Island. I represent all, um, clients from one big law or law office from Manhattan in Staten Island, uh, traffic violation bureau. And another one I was an attorney, um, like part-time attorney, um, regarding, um, estate planning and also mat, um, law.
Speaker 1 00:17:20 So, so with the traffic violations, there was a big, there was a bigger firm. And when their clients would have traffic violation, they would send their clients to the firm you were working at?
Speaker 0 00:17:30 No, it's like, um, it's big law office. We have clients, but just I represen because we have a lawyer in each court, because it's very helpful when you work only in one court, you know, judges, no police officers, you know, like what to expect, <laugh>. So that's why they have a lawyer, uh, in each court. So I represent State Island.
Speaker 1 00:17:53 Ah, okay. And what, what advice would you have for people who are dealing with a traffic violation?
Speaker 0 00:18:01 Just don't speak <laugh> <laugh>. No, it's okay. It just like, funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:18:06 But should we know about the, the, you know, how the, how the judges and the police deal with it? Any, any, any tips, any insider tips?
Speaker 0 00:18:15 Um, so it's very important to know the court, like the court system and also know all the rules because every court is different. So that's why it's very important to, um, to have a lawyer who know, oh, who knows this court. Like, who knows what to do, who knows what to expect from this officer or not, or to know just maybe police officer will not be there, it'll be absent so we can win the case <laugh>. So
Speaker 1 00:18:46 Yes, I, uh, I had a, a ticket years ago in my, I think I was still a teenager. I didn't stop fully at a stop sign mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and I got a ticket. And, um, so I tried to fight it in court. I went by myself though I didn't have a lawyer to help me. This is before I'd gone to law school. So I, uh, I tried to make an argument that, oh, and, and somebody had said, you know, try challenging it sometimes if the police officer doesn't show up. So I did, but the police officer showed up.
Speaker 0 00:19:16 It's usually the case,
Speaker 1 00:19:17 <laugh>, I took pictures cuz the stop sign was kind of obscure. It was hard to see. So I showed that to the judge. He reduced my fine, but then there was a court fee, so it came out the same. Mm-hmm. So I think he was just, he was, he was acknowledging that I was honest about things, but then I still had to pay the same amount of five <laugh>. But it was a good experience.
Speaker 0 00:19:37 But yes. But some for traffic violations, usually people, um, would like to fight because of the point, because of the points. Ah, yeah. Because every violation has points. So fine is okay to pay for them, but just like if they will have 11 points, their license will be suspended and for a lot of taxi driver or like truck drivers around just even regular people and who use car every day, so they cannot have their license to be suspended. Right,
Speaker 1 00:20:07 Right. That's a big deal. Yeah. That, that's their livelihood. And, and so are, are those clients, are your clients often, um, Ukrainian or Russian speaking?
Speaker 0 00:20:18 Yes. I, I believe like 80% of all my clients are Ukrainian
Speaker 1 00:20:23 <laugh>. Ah,
Speaker 0 00:20:23 So Ukrainians Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:20:25 Part, the multilingual part really does,
Speaker 0 00:20:27 Does, yeah. Or like people who speak, who can speak Russian from Georgia, from Uzbekistan, from Belarus, like from different country who, who can speak rationals.
Speaker 1 00:20:40 And, and then how did you go from there to setting up your own law practice?
Speaker 0 00:20:46 Oh, one day. Um, I just, when it was a covid time, yes, it was a covid time. So I realized that, um, it, I didn't have a lot of client clients at the time, uh, because it was covid, the court was, and our traffic bureau violation was close like four months, I believe. And, but at the time, a lot of my friends or friends, like they called me regarding mat, regarding divorces because people even during the co like
Speaker 1 00:21:21 <laugh>, right, sure. Life goes on.
Speaker 0 00:21:23 Yes. Divorce. So they called me and said like, oh, but I cannot help you because I don't have my own practice and um, I work for another law office. I need to have, um, insurance, my malpractice so on. So something like that. And they said like, just do this. I said, okay. And then, and then like said, okay, tomorrow I will open my own law office and I prepare all papers. Like I register my co like, um, professional corporations, I prepare everything. I buy my practice insurance. I, um, set up everything. So I said like, okay, it's good. And it was like a few clients only, but now I have a lot. I just, I need help even.
Speaker 1 00:22:08 Oh, wow. Okay. So if anybody's looking for a, for an internship or, or to work,
Speaker 0 00:22:14 Yes. But it was supposed to speak Ukrainian <laugh> because all my, almost all my clients are Ukrainians.
Speaker 1 00:22:19 And, and, uh, how has it been? How do you like having your own practice?
Speaker 0 00:22:24 Uh, yes. I like it because, uh, it's flexible <laugh> because even, um, you can be on vacation and you can do your work if you need to speak with client by phone or on Zoom or something like that. And also, but it's more responsibility of course because, uh, uh, when you work for another law office, you can ask for advice, you can ask for help, but if you are on your own, so you need to, to read a lot, you need to learn a lot every day. If you are not sure you need to, um, just make sure that everyth is, you are, everything is correct. Yes. So that's why if you would like to be on your own, you need to help connections with people who have expert experience or, um, in this field, <laugh>. So of course. And, um, um, at this, at the time, um, I will, like now I am a member of, uh, also of Ukrainian American Bar Association, and we have this association for more than four years, I believe. And, uh, we have a lot, um, a lot of, um, attorneys that who have experience and, uh, they're very open to help. Like they would like to help. Okay. So yes. Um, especially to, uh, Ukrainians who just started law office or just, uh, <unk> or just need help. So that's why, um, I can ask them for some advice or I can ask them if they had similar cases or something like that. So I'm happy that we have this association
Speaker 1 00:24:10 In addition to the Ukraine immigration Task Force. Um, you had mentioned to me previously that you also volunteer with an organization called Razo for Ukraine. That I think means, uh, United, no, together,
Speaker 0 00:24:25 Er, Ukraine. Yes. Okay. United. Yes. I, I'm, I'm volunteering this organization. This is like charity organization who help Ukrainian, who help Ukraine right now. And who just gather money also for Ukrainian army, for Ukrainian displayed people, and also they help, uh, Ukraine was there in New York. Um, we need help. Uh, for example, this Sunday they organize a special event, uh, for kids from who came to the United States from Ukraine, and they need to be prepared for school. So they bought a lot of backpacks for kids and also some school supplies as they will distribute to these kids who just came from Ukraine as they need to be prepared. But because for school. So it just like, um, little things, but I think it's very helpful for Ukrainian.
Speaker 1 00:25:23 That must be really intimidating going, moving to the US sudden suddenly because
Speaker 0 00:25:28 Of, yes, people came having to came to U United, to the United States just with one backpack sometimes if they were running from the war. So it's very, so we need to help them.
Speaker 1 00:25:39 Um, and are, are there any ways, if, if listeners wanna do something to support Ukraine or Ukrainians in some way, do you have any suggestions for where they should?
Speaker 0 00:25:50 Yes, <inaudible> for Ukraine, they have a very good website. They have a lot of links that, um, they can help financially or they can provide some help to Ukrainian people with, uh, um, housing for example, or food or just even for, um, with school supplies, even if they want, we have all the information out of the website.
Speaker 1 00:26:12 Okay. That's really great to know. And we'll, we'll put the, the link in the, in the show notes. Um, and then I wanted to ask you more generally, um, do you have any ad advice for, for future l m students or, or maybe future Ukrainian LM students, um, on, on studying law or on working in the us?
Speaker 0 00:26:33 Um, yes. Um, so my advice is just don't hesitate, uh, and, um, like learn, um, law in the United States. It's very interesting, <laugh>. Um, because when I'm comparing, um, laws that I was, uh, studying in Ukraine and one year they was studied here. So it was like, uh, totally different, um, experience for me. But it was hard, but it was very, very interesting. And um, and also people here help, um, with everything. So, uh, regard is a legal, uh, English, um, we will learn. And because it's, it's not so easy, but it's manageable and, uh, um, sometimes my legal English is better than my English, believe me, because if you work in this field, just your English is better legal English, then your English when you are speak English only with few people sometimes, because at home I speak Ukrainian all, all only. So, um, my advice just, um, to be prepared, of course you need to read, uh, like legal books sometimes. And um, also they can watch, um, few movies in, in English, uh, regarding, uh, attorneys in New York, for example, or suits or another like suits. Yes. Good movie. Um, and it's very helpful because they will understand, um, legal English also and some like, uh, legal atmosphere, legal aid community, and they'll, um, understand everything. Um,
Speaker 1 00:28:38 The pop culture is helpful.
Speaker 0 00:28:39 Yes, yes, of course.
Speaker 1 00:28:41 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> you reminded me of when I, um, I once taught, uh, English to a, a Brazilian student who, who was a, an airline pilot mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so he was trying to improve his English and his English was not very good at all. But then when he would do the airline talk, you know, like, this is your pilot flying it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Suddenly he was like fluent in just that, just the airline talk. And he, you know, nothing else. It was really, it was so specific.
Speaker 0 00:29:08 Yeah, it's the same bizarre, like, uh, our legal English, sometimes it's bad <laugh>. Yeah. Because you're doing this every day and um, you know how to explain, you know, everything. And sometimes it's very hard for me to explain how to cook abors. It's like Ukrainian soup, like gra soup. Yeah. So that's why <laugh> everyone is excellent in, in their like, I believe specific field.
Speaker 1 00:29:37 Great. Let me, let me ask you another question about studying. In coming from a, a, the Ukrainian, uh, university system and the Ukrainian, uh, you know, legal system, which there's a civil code and coming over to the US and studying in a US style law school and, and in a common law system, was that a, was that a challenge to, to sort of adapt to that?
Speaker 0 00:30:03 It was just few days challenging because you got to understand, uh, what is like case law, but then when you are starting reading cases, it's very interesting because I think from facts, it's better to understand law, um, than from just civil court. When you are reading some like, uh, very hard explanation <laugh>, I think,
Speaker 1 00:30:25 Yeah, for a lot of students coming from the civil code to the, to the common law system of, of the US and and us style federalism also is, is kind of confusing. And
Speaker 0 00:30:36 Yeah, it was confusing a little bit, but then when you realize that you need to read this case, it applies this law to, because it was precedent or something like that. So you understand, like of course, uh, it's different system, but I think, um, case law, uh, is a little bit interesting. <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:30:56 Yeah, you like reading the stories and
Speaker 0 00:30:58 Yes, of course, because it's like from practice, you know, all this facts and you can apply this law to this fax. And, uh, it's, and also is, but believe, like for me, like when I was a student, uh, the meaning reason, reasonable, it was very confusing for me because, oh, you mean, but especially when I was preparing for the bar exam and it was some something like, it's reasonable and for me it was not, no, it's not reasonable for me. Yeah. So I said like, maybe I need to to read more explanation about this reasonable because, um, I was very confusing with this, like re reasonable things. Like, and it was a lot of like, um, um,
Speaker 1 00:31:41 Like in a lot of rules, there's the reasonable person standard.
Speaker 0 00:31:45 Yes, reasonable person standard. But it's like, for me it's not reasonable. But for you, it's reasonable how it's like stand can be a standard <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:31:52 Right? And it's really just a proxy, it's a placeholder. It, it really means there's something that's subjective, but we're gonna use language that makes it sound objective, but it's not really objective. It's still very subjective.
Speaker 0 00:32:06 Yeah, of course. Very subjective. So
Speaker 1 00:32:08 It's, it's confusing because we say it, it, it makes it an objective standard, but it's really hiding the fact that the
Speaker 0 00:32:15 Word Yeah. It depends on the fact, of course,
Speaker 1 00:32:17 Subjective. Yeah. So, um, one last thing I wanted to ask you about is like, for example, I, I listened to a podcast called Ukraine Cast, which is by the bbc, which, which is great at, at uh, keeping me updated on what's going on in Ukraine and gives really good insights and perspectives, but sometimes it can be a bit much. What do you, for you, I imagine that must be a lot of the, the time. What, what do you do when it's, it's too much? How do you handle it?
Speaker 0 00:32:43 Yes, of course, for all Ukrainians, now it's hard time. And, um, but for example, me, I just would like to be busy. And when I, I'm busy, I'm working from, um, 8:00 AM until even sometimes 11:00 PM so I don't have time even to, to read all this, uh, news and to understand all this situation. Uh, like I, I know all news, believe me, but I just don't want to read, uh, everything with all this details or the, or watch all this very terrible videos because it's very hard for me. And just, I would like to help people. Uh, and when I am busy, I'm working, I am just provide some legal advice or just advice from my experience. So I know that I am helping people and I know that we will win and if everyone will help or will do some small things, the Ukraine will win.
Speaker 1 00:33:48 Well, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. I know, I know you're really busy these days. Um, uh, we'll include any relevant links from the episode in the show notes. Uh, I wanna remind our listeners to subscribe to the US Law Essentials Podcast on Apple Stitchers, Spotify, Himalaya, or wherever you get your podcasts. Uh, and you can also listen to all episodes on US law essentials.com. Um, and if you have any questions, comments, reactions, ideas, et cetera, we always love hearing from our listeners. You can contact us by email at daniel us law centrals.com or through the US Law Essentials Facebook group or LinkedIn group. Um, so thanks again. So thanks again, vital Talia,
Speaker 0 00:34:32 Thank you for this invitation and have a nice day and glory to Ukraine.
Speaker 1 00:34:36 And thanks to everybody for listening to the US Law Centrals Law Language podcast, and to all the St. John's LLM students out there, as well as our other listeners, stay essential.
